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venom of charlottesville to prime time talking points. >> this policy is called the great replacement with more obedient people from other countries. >> how the republican party is now replacing the so-called replacement theory by name when all in starts right now good evening from new york i'm chris hayes. you could have gotten very rich over the past year and a half betting against the people who said we're beating covid it's just around the corner, but it can be beat we have the tools to do it covid can be beaten. we have life saving vaccines we know what mitigation efforts work and i think it's really important to keep sight of that so we don't succumb to an unnecessary pessimism.

that enormous spike at the top of the chart over there on the left is the early weeks of the pandemic back in april of 2020 it's when the virus first made its way over from europe the u.s. east coast got that european strain. and new york got hammered almost as bad as anywhere in the world before or since. last winter, we saw deaths rise again. although to be clear, nowhere near as bad as it could have been due to natural immunity, but also because of way better testing, strict public health measures, masks, social distancing and contact tracing then delta landed and frankly, a lot of people, myself included, were pretty worried about what things would look like a few weeks ago, it seemed like all of the progress of the spring maybe might be undone everywhere we all braced for this battle. vaccinations and public health measures haves the incredibly

contagious virulent delta variant. guess what the vaccine won. we did not see a massive spike of deaths this summer in new york city. that's what vaccine victory looks like we didn't see anything close to the winter surge let alone the deadly early days of the pandemic. you could see it on the charts deaths have essentially plateaued since july i'm starting with this tonight just to keep everyone's eyes on the north star where we can return almost to normal and we can see our loved ones go to see plays and sporting events and be around each other and fellowship but of course, the problem is that vaccination rates are unevenly distributed i was look at another statistic about how far we've fallen in the international competition to vaccinate all of our eligible population australia, member australia had a very rocky early rollout of the shots. huge amounts of criticism in that country about how slow it was going. it's now on pace to beat us in

terms of vaccinations the line to the right has almost surpassed the u.s. despite not really even get ago proper start until june of this year. meanwhile, the united states has hit a brick wall after getting out to this incredible start the first few months, the biden administration where the key test was logistical competency. now they're up against this wave of vaccine resistance and tens of thousands of americans are dying needlessly because they have not gotten vaccinated and as david pointed out in "the new york times" today, it is incredibly consistent along basically political partisan lines. quote, the political divide over vaccinations is so large that almost every blue state now has a higher vaccination rate than every red state. as a result, parts of the country that broadly supported donald trump in 2020, that red line on this chart, are seeing more covid deaths in parts of the county that voted for joe

biden, represented by the blue line that's due in large part to the nihilistic and destructive and i would say evil deal with the devil that some on the right have embraced. basically flirt with denialism for some small political damage. we see it unfolding now in tennessee, which has seen one of the worst outbreaks in the country. that's a state where back in august, angry parents hounded healthcare workers who advocated for a mask mandate they yelled at them saying you can leave freely, we will find you. we know who you are. well, today, schools canceled in the state's knox county after an anti-mask event yesterday in which parents openly plotted mass civil disobedience. including blocking the entrance of schools to stop kids from going to school. i'm going the play some of the sound from that event for you. the video is very grainy but you can hear what's being said

>> communicated that some monday morning until this is over, we need to bring knox county school to a screeching halt staff has said parents, student, staff and bus drivers. so we have a moral obligation for our children's future. block the entrance to the school with your car. that's my suggestion block the entrance don't even let a bus in your schools. if you can be that bold in your groups, do it. >> here again, the key dynamic at play. the core of the issue for us as a society, as a country, there's real grass roots energy among certain part of the right wing republican base to protest the very basic health measures like masks and vaccines that will

help get us out of this pandemic and save the lives we are losing and again, it's important to note that those folks, the folks that you know, blockading the schools, they're a small minority this is not an issue that's splitting the country apart. big majority of americans are vaccinated more than 75% of the eligible population have made the choice to get one dose. it's nota 50-50 issue. it's a small group of people being egged on by these opportunistic politicians like ron desantis and ted cruz and bill lee it's a really dangerous version of something that constitutional law experts call the heckler's veto where the people with destructive views on this, the most fired up, angry folks end up controlling or trying to control all of public policy but again, this debate is not solely among political lines it's part of a more profound example of human beings trying to find consensus. you're seeing a version of it

play out right now in one of the most high profile businesses in the country. the nba. basketball, strangely, in certain ways, has been linked to covid since the start of the pandemic remember when the league delayed the season in march of 2020 after the player on the utah jazz tested positive for covid right before a game. the teams didn't come out. they canceled a game, then the season for many of us, that was a break last moment. the first realization, oh, my word, this was going to alter our daily life in an unprecedented kay. then there was the nba bubble where the league pulled out all the stops to essentially keep all of their players who were quarantined in a hotel complex and it served as an example of how we could return to some weird normalcy without a vaccine. now the vaccine fight is unfolding very publicly in the league the season about tostart next month, training camp kicks off tomorrow according to the nba, 90% of its

players are vaccinated, which seems like a high number, but it's lower than the nfl, which is nearly 94%. today, the disagreements played out publicly at the brooklyn nets preseason media day where one of the team's star players, kyrie irving, didn't attend in person he joined by zoom. refused to answer questions about his vaccine stat and whether or not he would participate in games the problem is, new york city correctly mandates athletes have at least one dose when playing basketball indoors and like, breathing on each other. while he's one of many high profile holdouts, it's not any old player he's the vice president of the exec executive committee of the player's union he started following and liking posts from a conspiracy theorists who says that -- to connect black people to a computer for a plan of satan this has spread across multiple

nba locker rooms and group chats according to several players, hall of famers, workers interviewed for this story over the past week. this has all sparked a public outcry including from kareem abdul-jabbar who told rolling stone, quote, there is no room for players willing to risk the health and life of their teammates, the staff and fans because they're unable to grasp the seriousness of the situation. and for the boston celtics center who's been encouraging his fellow players to take the shots and joins me now it's good to have you. i wonder what the locker room conversations have been like, what the tenor of this conversation has been among folks in the nba, the players? >> thanks for having me, chris you know, i think i just signed the boston celtics so i cannot talk for celtics players, but

last year, i was playing for the portland trail blazers and when this vaccine conversation started to happen, we all sat down, listen, we are role models and we need to not just save ourselves, but our families and communities. so we are all fully vaccinated i feel like players listen to medical experts on pretty much everything surgery, treatments, medicine, and diet so i feel like we need to listen to the experts on this vaccine for sure >> yeah, one thing that has really been striking to me, again, 90% of players are vaccinated, so this isn't a 50-50 issue. but you know, there's been a lot of prominent athletes who have resisted the vaccine in different sports and you know, it's striking to me that you are someone who, your livelihood depends on your health and you would think that someone, carl anthony towns, who's a great nba player got covid and has reported long recovery period and really negative effects

afterwards you'd think players would be wo worried about that they'd want to protect themselves against that. >> i think for sure, like you said, i believe he just said one article, he lost 50 pounds and lost multiple family members last year, i lost my uncle because of covid i feel we are not just saving our lives, but everyone else around us and we are role models, right? there so many kids out there so many generation out there idolizing us so i feel like we need to be a good example and encourage people and our community to just get vaccinated so we can save people >> you have an interesting quote about religion and exemptions. if a guy's not getting vaccinated because of his religion, i feel like we are in a time where religion and science has got to go together i've talked to a lot of religion guys it saves people's live, so

what's more important than that? have you encountered the religion objection as a strong part of the conversations you've had? >> like i said, we're in a time that religion and science has to go together. i mean, religion is telling you, every religion tells you the take your good-bye this is the best way, get vaccinated i believe i understand i respect all the religions and you know, we have the freedom of religion in our country, but same time, it's very simple what is more religious than saving other people's lives? that's it. >> how would you feel, one of the origin of part of this battle that's happening is my understanding is that the nba doesn't have a requirement the nfl came up with a set of requirements that strongly incen incentivized vaccination and the nba has been relying on the rules of local venues. stadiums and stuff like that

do you think the league should be more proactive? should there been an agreement that says look, everyone's got to get vaccinated? >> i feel like they should like i said again, i mean, i'm playing basketball, right, and an unvaccinated player will be playing on me during the game. we're playing basketball there's contact all the time think about a player breathing on me and sweating on me the whole game and i know that he's not vaccinated so i don't think the players who are vaccinated already will won't feel comfortable to go against those players, but same time, you've got to respect people decision that's what it comes to that but you know, i speak to some of the athletes, you know, and some of the non-basketball players, but there's this thing, you just were talking about we're just worried about the government trying to put a chip in us and when i heard it, i just last word, i'm like, i don't know what to say

but i think we just need to education ourselfand be smart because like i said, we are leaders. community leaders, and there are so many people idolizing us so i feel like we can use this platform to encourage others to get vaccinated because it's saving people's lives. >> enes, thank you so much for joining us >> thank you, brother. >> andy served as the white house senior adviser, the author of preventable he joins me now. andy, scott gottlieb last week said something i found very encouraging, which was his belief that the delta wave on the packbackside of it we're entering a period, barring a big, huge new variation, we're achieving a level of immunity through antibodies and

vaccination, where we're not going to have this kind of situation. do you feel the same way >> i think it's a little too early so say scott is often right nobody's always been right so i think we ought to be a little cautious. what i think he's noting is that we are reach ing a point in man parts of the country where you've been vaccinated or infected at least for a little while at least until immunity wanes. we have too many large pockets that haven't been vaccinated those communities are ripe for not only the virus to grow and people to die, but also for variants so i don't think we should be ready to declare victory just yet. >> one of the strange things about the behavioral changes and risk assessments that happen along the ideological or line of world view or personal risk appetite, whatever it is, right, is that as delta started to spread, i think you saw people that are the most cautious, the most concerned, who are already

vaccinated and tend to be in places that have strong public health measures, doing the most retrenchment and the places where it was happening the most were not it seems to me like the new york city example and the stuff we've seen in california and even what or oregon's done, which had some bad outbreaks, a sufficient level of vaccination is really protection kbagainst that kind f outbreak we can believe we've gotten to that point in these places z >> yeah. it is part of the reason why we're having to do boosters and third vaccines in many places is because we are still have parts of the community where there's too much spread. because kids aren't vaccinated or because we've got adults that aren't going to get vaccinated but if you go to krtconnecticuta community where i live in california where 91% of people are vaccinated, there are very,

very few cases many parts of the country are like that and when that happens, i think we'll be able to not wear masks i think we're still going to have to watch for things, so that when we have bad periods of time, that may change, but certainly, we're a lot closer to that, but what i wouldn't say is that that's going to be a yet a permanent state. i think we still have too many issues to drop >> what do you mean by that? >> i mean it's probably too early to say that even if we go back to not having to wear masks or there's a lower amount of cases as projected in the spring, that until we get the globe vaccinated, to take one imagine example, the african continent, we still could see what we saw from india, from south africa, from south america, where a new variant emerged. so i'm still going to be holding by breath until the globe gets vaccinated and as soon as that happens, i think we'll be able

to breathe easier both because people's lives will be saved, but because the chances of a variant strain coming back that's more dangerous than delta will be much less. >> finally, new york city had a deadline for healthcare workers on a vaccine requirement today there's lot of places that have been implementing. what do you think the vaccine requirements, whether governments or employers is so far? >> well, the evidence is that oftentimes, the media will cover the dozens of people that are unhappy. i don't doubt there are, but the facts show that as you talked about with the nfl, even with the nba, the ncaa, 85% plus. military, over 90%, that most people say, you know what, i'm going to get vaccinated and part of the reason is that most people don't feel that strongly about not getting vaccinated they haven't done it because they haven't had to. who wants to go get a shot

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this weekend, donald trump held a rally in georgia. one of the states that helped clinch his defeat. in the ten months since the election, trump has not waivered from his debunked claim that is the results were fraudulent and he was the winner. that's false speaking at the georgia national fairgrounds on saturday, he made it clear he plans to campaign not just on this platform of the last stolen election, but also on putting in place people who are willing to steal the next one for him. >> they attacked and cheated on our elections and they did it right here in georgia, also. right here in georgia. now the people of georgia must replace the rhinos and weak republicans who made it all

possible >> this is the number one continuing threat to american democracy. the very real possibility that donald trump or potentially someone else, but right now, it's trump, could claim fraud as trump did in 2020 and essentially try to steal the election and that crucially republicans in positions of power up and down the hierarchy would enable him to do it. now we came close to that last year only because of a handful of folks, one of them, brad raffensperger, who was refusing to bend trump's will, before we find ourselves back in that situation again, we have to make actual changes to fortify the defenses of our election systems. rick hostin is one of the nation's top experts on election law. he's been thinking about imposing those necessary changes. he just published a paper titled identifying and minimizing the risk of election subversion in

the contemporary united states he's founder of a election law blog and a professor at the university of irvine and he joins me now rick, you have been very, very focused on this. i share your concern and focus on it and we've been pretty focused on it. first, have you gotten more or less concerned as time has passed between january 6th particularly and now >> well, i've gotten much more concerned. first of all, we've learned a lot more about what happened behind the scenes january 6th. we learned how vice president pence was urged to essentially just declare trump the winner based on a false claim there were seven states with alternative slates of electors because of irregularities in elections. none of the stuff was true, but vice president pence stood up. raffensperger stood up people who were actually in power and who had to make decisions stood up and we were able to withstand what trump was

throwing at the election system last time. but now over the last nine, ten months, as trump has convinced millions of his supporters that the last election was stolen and he's trying to replace those who stood up to him with those who either buy into this false claim or pretend to buy into this false claim, i have much less confidence that we'd be able to withstand the same kind of thing come 2024 >> you write about addressing this in a legal sense. what are the things we can do legally? changes we can make to essentially fortify free and fair elections defend them from factors like trump? i want to read a passage and have you describe it the kinds of changes like ensuring ballots that can be recounted by hand. conducting official risk limiting audits, removing from power those who play essentially a ceremonial role in affirming election results, making sure there are streamlined processes

for bringing challenges in elections that are actually problematic. those last two strike me as really important one of the things we learned last time was that all these people involved in passing the baton and there are all these different pressure points and then the question of like what if something really did go wrong, how would you challenge it seems like you're saying we need to streamline one and clarify the other. >> the thing about the presidential election is that it's so different than any other election in the united states. it's run across 50 states in 10,000 jurisdictions and even once the people vote, there are a bunch of steps that have to happen before the full ceremonial counting of the electoral college happens. each of those in a place of weakness in a system that doesn't rely upon norms in the rule of law. we've relied on the fact that we were going to do the right thing. if you're going to have the potential of people who are going to lie, you're going to need to have that paper to back it up.

you're going to need to have rules that make it harder to engage in false claims that the vote total was what it was, but legal change won't be enough we also need to have a political strategy because it's not clear that these changes are going to come either from congress or the states and that there are going to be enough next time >> the big federal law here is the electoral count act, which was passed in 1887 it was ten years after one of the most contested elections in american history in 1876, in which the person with less votes, the popular vote got to be president of the united states rutherford b. hayes, and the election act is a mess and i keep saying the check offs gun of this tragedy, which john eastman centered on. the famous eastman memo is him saying here's how we could use the gaps in this law and its tension with the 12th amendment to get our guy in. how important is it to change that >> well, i think it's essential. i'm hoping that after the

january 6th commission goes through and sees exactly what happened the last time around that they're going to propose some changes this time around. they're going to have to understand the john eastman strategy, at one point, he declares it's unconstitutional and just allows the vice president to do whatever h wants. so again, law making legal changes, it's so important it's my number one priority to push this over the next few years, but legal change alone is not going to protect american democracy. we're going to have to be ready for mass, peaceful protested the kinds of things i never thought we'd have to talk about in the united states >> that was sobering thank you very much. >> thanks. this week, stakes are high for democrats and the country as the house tries to pull off one of the most ambitious undertakings in generations. can it be done everything you need to know after the break. as carla thinks about retirement, she'll wonder, "what if i could retire sooner?" and so she'll get some advice from fidelity,

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i think it's fair to say we're entering the most intense period of democratic ledgelating in generations this week, the house is going to try to pull off an undertaking, just yesterday, nancy pelosi sent out a letter to her colleagues detailing the plan nor just this week, what they're going to try to undertake. today, they started a debate on the $1 trillion bipartisan physical infrastructure bill on thursday, the house will vote on the bill just hours before funding is set to lapse on friday so they've got a deadline for that but adding to that is speaker pelosi's efforts to crack the president's sweeping bill that includes widespread improvements to the social safety net as well as desperately needed climate investment it's the legislative equivalent of running two marathons back-to-back in six hours. if anyone can do it, it's nancy pelosi, but can it actually be done this evening, the senate blocked a bill that would raise the debt ceiling and continue funding the

government with every republican voting against the measure, chuck schumer took the floor, calling republicans the party of default. john yarmouth is chair of the house budget committee which passed the president's budget on saturday congressman yarmouth joins me now. let's start, let's separate these out as i keep doing when we try to make this clear for the folks watches at home. just keeping the government funded and having the u.s. government not have its first default in history triggering an enormous crisis. everyone on the democratic side is onboard and doing that? every single republican just unanimously voted to shut the government down and default on u.s. debt. what happens now >> that's a great question, chris. thanks for having me on. my senator, mitch mcconnell, he's at the, he's kind of the leader in this effort and you know, i watched while he has

traveled around the state taking credit for funds that are coming into kentucky that he voted for that he now doesn't want to pay for. and then he assisstands up and s the facts are indisputable i agree with mitch on that the facts are indisputable he's wrong he tries to make this case, this is all about passing the ability to incur future debts. this is all about paying for what we have already credited ourselves to so he's blatantly lying to the american people. nobody pays a price for lying. nobody's held accountable. i remember when i debated in high school, if you told a lie, misrepresented a fact, you automatically lost the debate regardless of how good your

presentation or argument was unfortunately, we don't have that in politics >> we don't. no judges coming to save you, congressman. >> we don't. but we're playing with fire. as you said, nobody's ever defaulted on the national debt the constitution prescribes in the 14th amendment that never question the, the debt of the united states, but republicans are playing games and here's the other thing. they say they want democrats to raise the debt ceiling by themselves there's a way to do that that's pretty easy and that would have been tonight, not filibustering the bill they could just say, okay, we're going to let it come to a vote 50 democrats plus one. the vice president can raise the debt limit and every republican can vote to default on the debt of the united states as you mentioned and but what they're trying to

do is play games they want us to use reconciliation because then under reconciliation, we have to specify a, an amount yeah, so you know, my suggestion and i only halfheartedly told it to speaker pelosi, okay, we're going the raise it to a gazillion dollars. we're 28, $29 trillion now so we'll say okay, let's raise it to 31 trillion so now in six months or so, we're back in the same game, which allows the same kind of hostage taking just doesn't work that way just a silly, silly game that we're playing. but unfortunately, it could have real world consequences. >> quickly, final question here is about the reconciliation package. that's going to have to get figured out one way or the other. the big question on the package is democrats coming to

agreement. jon tester saying this today and saying he's the most optimistic human on capitol hill. a reconciliation deal is attainable by thursday here's my question to you. the frustration has been that most of the kaucaucus, the bide folks across the span and almost all the senate are on the same page there's a few holdouts in manchin and the frustration is they have not been offering counters so you can negotiate. has that progressed so that you k now know what objections are so you can work toward a deal >> best i can tell, no, it hasn't and it's really unfortunate. it's like you have a couple of musicians in the orchestra and they want to play but don't know what piece is orchestra is playing. so they're on their own and don't understand the overall objective. it's really sad because it sounds to me like what they're engaged in, both senator manchin

and sinema, is brand management. they're only concerned about their own brand. they're not thinking about the objective of not just the democratic party, but what's a good policy for the country. i have not heard one word yet from either senator about why any of the things that are proposed in the build back better act are bad for the country. i've not heard one word. not any of them have said that and they're playing with numbers. the numbers don't matter you know, the question is what does the country need us to do i think this package is something that demonstrably is something that the american people need and is something that's perfectly appropriate for the federal government to try to provide for them >> congressman, thank you very much >> thanks, chris next, from the tiki torches

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as carlson referred to them. you may remember hearing about this theory when it was shouted by white supremacists protesting the removal of a statue in charlottesville in 2017. that's what replacement theory sounds like when it's being communicated honestly. just to remind everyone how stupid the whole idea is, we have to remind you that again, no one's getting replaced. we don't kick people out when we let in new people. the fundamental title is wrong everything else is, too. it's sort of the thing that was buzzy on white supremacist websites it's now at the center of republican party ideology. this morning, gates wrote,

quote, left media think i'm replacement on race ethnicity terms. i don't at all of course that's ridiculous because as "the washington post" points out, gates was defending a segment where tucker carlson claimed, listen closely, president biden was trying to import non white dna, which again, isn't a thing there's no racial dna. he argues i think rightly that it's a very old trick used by racists to cover up their misdeeds and gates who is again under federal investigation under possible sex trafficking of a minor, a charge he denies, is probably engaging in that and again, while it's clear some republicans used racism for the purposes of distraction, let's just keep in mind that many in the party are also doing it behind the scenes. this man has been nominated for important role in the biden administration got a great record more than qualified. republicans are blocking him and

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this is sayed, former ceo and president of health care, joe biden's choice as deputy administrator for the small business administration. if confirmed he would be the highest ranking muslim administration official in u.s. history. the white house said his nomination to the senate small business and entrepreneurship

committee in march, republicans led by missouri senator josh hawley have been holding up his nomination ever since citing all kinds of changing reasons. first they complained about loans that one of sayed's companies had accepted he had paid the loan back before being nominated. and this time according to "the washington post" they sent a letter that accused him of being anti-jewish and anti-israel. that was strongly rejected by a broad coalition of groups, including jewish organizations republicans found another problem with his nomination, one that had nothing to do with sayed at all, protection loans given to planned parenthood entities and sometimes it's not just performative it's operationalized beneath the rhetoric michelle goldberg from the "new york times," linda chavez, a former republican, the head of

the u.s. commission on civil rights under president reagan, and they both join me now. linda, you know, we've watched josh hawley performatively block the nomination, it's clear, there's no good faith here, and you know, this is people are not paying a lot of attention to this but they are doing this it seems to me whether it's performtip performative, or not . >> he certainly should not be blocked on the basis of his religion, and it is become increasingly clear that the republican party has gotten into some very very nasty identity politics, and, you know, you talked about representative gaetz earlier, and frankly, you know, this is so early 20th century, it sounds like madison brant and the passing of the great race republicans want to be the party of white america well, if theydecide to go that route, they're not likely to be

in national office again anytime soon. >> you make a good point race suicide, as a concept, is not a particularly, like, new one or fashionable one it's a very old one. very popular among the worst fascists in the last hundred years. and michelle, it really is, i mean, again, i keep not wanting to be shocked or call in the referees because there are no referees this is just what a certain portion of the right believes but it continues to be shocking that the kind of rhetoric you find in the mas ifnifesto of thy who murdered those in el paso, and citing the french book by the great replacement, conspiracy theory, the white race was being replaced by nonwhite or european people. that kind of thing posted by the shooter, that is on people's tvs every night as cannon for conservatives. >> yes, not only are you hearing that over and over from tucker carlson who previously took a lot of umbrage at the idea that

anybody would accuse him of promoting kind of replacement theory and now promotes it openly and so you can almost see in realtime how the goal posts are moving or how quickly the party is dropping whatever veil still existed post-trump also, it pervades the republican party. right? we're not just talking about matt gaetz who is, you know, kind of a clown. we're not talking about paul go saturday, and marjorie taylor greene elise stefanik, who's as close to a centric you're going to get this this republican congress, was running facebook ads with language that smacked of replacement theory, and was called out by her hometown newspaper for it this is the operative ideology of the republican party, and they wouldn't be able to win an election based on the popular vote, but the reason that they are so hell bent on curtailing voting rights is precisely because they don't think the

emerging electorate is valid. >> here's the crazy point about this, i keep making this point, one of the fascinating things that happened in 2020 is at a certain point, donald trump pivoted away from his immigration rhetoric he didn't talk about it in the same way that invective role was played the role of black lives matter, and antifa that became the kind of other enemy. he brings a bunch of spanish language hats, and has a citizen swearing in ceremony in the white house, and actually does better in 2020 in the rio grande valley and south florida and among certain immigrant communities and african-american communities he did in 2016, and no one in the republican party wants to take the lesson, apparently that, like, there's actually gettable votes there if you don't run around saying these people killed off the white race. >> that's exactly right, and in fact, i have been writing about this now going back to my first book in 1991

republicans have actually since the 1970s done reasonably well among his panic voters, anywhere from a third of the vote until almost half the vote, depending on who the presidential nominee was. this is a really suicidal mission. it's more than that. this should not be about politics america is an immigrant country. that is one of the things that differentiates us in the world it is one of the things that i think makes america great. and it's not just me, ronald reagan gave a speech at the statue of liberty in which he talked about making america great again, and what he was talking about was immigrants making america great again that republican party is dead, i guess. >> this to me, i mean, to me the central issue here michelle is this question about what is the nation, and you know, both parties bought in at least in rhetoric to reagan's point about we're a creed l nation, and some

people are like, no, it's a white man's nation that used to be not something you could rhetorically enunciate the last several decades but is now frankly a thing being enunciated by republican politicians. >> i think there's very few people in the republican party today that believe this is a creedal nation you heard blood and soil rhetoric from the republican party. there's a lot of culturally conservative immigrants. the last election should have put to bed the notion that mass immigration is going to ensure a permanent democratic majority, and so in some ways it is not even about politics. it's about an attachment to a certain kind of racial make up in this country. >> yeah, i think that's the key point. there's a certainly amount of instrumentalism here, but there's also just deeply held horrible racist beliefs that people have and there's some pandering that's happening, but it's also like people have terrible views, and that's a huge part of what's driving this

michelle goldberg and linda chavez, thank you both. >> that is "all in" this monday night. the rachel maddow show start reeg right now. >> good evening. thanks at home for joining us this hour. the speaker of the house of representatives is of course nancy pelosi she has been speaker this time around since january of 2019 but this is not her first rodeo. this is her second turn in the speaker's job. the first time nancy pelosi became speaker of the house was in 2007. you might remember, george w. bush was still president democrats did great in the midterms in 2006 pelosi got elevated to speaker i mean, first it was just this huge historic moment, right, the first female speaker of the house in american history. next in line to the presidency after the vice president just a huge history making deal. so she's always been a big deal simply because of her breaking

that glass ceiling but